Who Hates Harley Davidson?

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    The harleydoods that wave back are gay.
     
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    Oh my God.... LMFAO.....sitting here doin shots of Tequila
    with the wife...she's all, what the hell are you laughing about....perfect Hardley etiquette ...that guys(lego dude) a dick...sounds like he works as a salesman at a hardley dealership and thats what he says to all the newb's. Thanks, that was hilarious
     
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    You guys are forgetting one bike, and one rider....


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    I wish they'd bring back the Seattle Mile.

    [video=youtube;XpouJWlRBdY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpouJWlRBdY[/video]
     
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    Never really followed this type of racing..darn it..Springfield or Nixon?
     
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    Jay Springsteen, XR 750
     
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    All those flat track dudes are gay and never learned to turn right. ;)

    The Seattle Mile died for several reasons. The first year they let the horse guys prep the track. Just in practice, there were soft berms that were almost 2' high. when ya got berms like that ya got furrows. The next year was better. They let Gene Romero prep the track. The riders and the AMA referee told Chris Agajanian they would not ride if something was not changed.

    The second year, they PR'd the Harley crowd many of whom were clueless about flat tracking. The pitch was not the skills and the cojones grandes of the riders but that the top guys were riding Harleys. Sorry dudes but an XR has aboot as much to do with a FatBoy as overeaters anonymous has to do with anorexia. Even more clueless, the "show" was geared like the Speedway races in SoCal. Great racing but tuned for the younger crowd. Babbling DJ's and stunts on motocrossers were wrong place wrong time marketing. In another gaffe, instead of some up close interviews with the likes of Spingsteen and Carr at the break, they used the time to promote products. That went over like dropping a shotput on a bare foot.

    The weather for the "miles" was perfect but for some reason the windowed areas for viewing were full. I guess both the smell of Castol R and horse shit are offensive for some.. The goose shit in the infield was all pretty much dry then.

    What is odd is that there is a National TT at Castle Rock that has been going on for years and Agajanian's planners didn't learn from that.
     
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    I remember back in 88 I went to the San Jose "Last Mile". It was supposed to be the last flat track race ever at the San Jose mile track. They were going to pave it for NASCAR and run those there. Something happen to that plan and it never came about. I even bought the special T-shirt for the event and they had to mail it to me. Had a bigger turn out than what they expected. So what happen to the track? Still running dirt stuff?
     
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    Emerald Downs was sold to the Muckleshoot tribe this year. They have plans for adding a casino which fly's in the face of the horse racing purists, just like flat tracking did. From what I heard it was the snobs that put an end to motorcycle racing.

    The track at castle rock is about half the size of Emerald Downs (Longacres). When we used to go, it was weekend event, you camped in a field next to the track. The crowd was about 65% hard-core Hardly riders and the rest were families and normal people. Usually a few Sheriffs around but there were still bottles of Jack and joints being passed around and quite a few fist fights in the bleachers, some requiring an ambulance.

    Totally different environment from the mile. It's a shame, it was a gas...
     
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    Since it and rider spanked the field (Harleys), didn't they banish it after just the first race?
     
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    I like Harleys :)
     
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    It just so happens that I was given the winter 2010 copy of "Moto Retro Illustrated" a couple of years back. On the front cover is King Kenny with his GP TZ750 on the cover and an article about his TZ750 flat tracker.

    Here's a few excerpts about the 1975 Indy Mile:

    To be honest, I wasn't exactly enthused about building the thing.

    The idea to build the TZ750 dirttracker came from Doug Schwerma, owner of Champion Frames.

    The first time I (Roberts) sat on the TZ750 miler was before practice at the 1975 Indy Mile. It became immediately clear someone was going to die riding such a bike, or cause someone els to die.

    I was on top of my game in those days, but I really began to wonder what I'd gotten myself in to.

    I'd be starting out from the last row, and hadn't figured out how to get the thing around the track quickly.

    Going in to the final turn I closed right up on them. I don't know what happened, exactly. I shifted up into fifth and that thing got drive like it'd never gotten during the race. It was like god himself decided the TZ was going to get some serious traction coming off that turn. I was doing my part, straining every muscle as hard as I could to get the bike to hook up. When I nailed the throttle the bike didn't go sideways-it accelerated so hard and straight that, for an instant, I thought I might hit Springsteen. But I didn't. I just blasted past him, thinking, "Great! I'm going to get second." But I didn't stop there.
    The next thing Keener saw was my yellow and black fuel tank, and he saw it too late. I mowed him down with that TZ miler and beat him to the finish line by inches.


    It was spectacular, for sure. But it was just too crazy... really, really dangerous. Even the AMA-an organization I almost never really agreed with -understood that. They knew that with more development, the TZ750's would become missles, and quickly. And they unstood that, even if the TZ's managed not to kill anybody in the process, they'd surely kill Harley-Davidson on the dirt tracks. The next year they were banned.

    I'm just glad I lived to tell the story.

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    There were four bikes built for:Skip Aksland,Randy Cleek,Steve Baker and Kenny Roberts. The bike was was built on a whim. Yamaha didn't help and they didn't have anything for Roberts to beat the Harleys or to win on. So It was one of those "What if's" moments. Good article and one of several in this edition on Roberts and what he is doing today.(2010)
     
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    Emerald Downs is a horse track.
     
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    Yep, that's the story but that ain't quite what KR said at the time.

    Yamaha didn't help? Yamaha has been involved in American racing since and probably before 1955 when they entered the Catalina GP with a bike and rider. That bike sure ain't made of parts from a Harley..
     
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    The only thing I know is what's in the article when they interview Kenny in 2010.

    Here's what he said:

    I really wanted to retain the AMA number one plate, and with only a handful of mile races on the AMA schedule, I felt we should build a proper dirt track racer, which meant building it around an engine designed for the job

    But Yamaha wasn't about to do that- too much investment involved. They didn't exactly disapprove of the TZ-miler project, but they didn't provide any real support, either. I guess you could say we were on our own, looking for a way to beat the Harleys,which did have proper dirt track engines, and which were constantly improving.
     
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    Castle Rock runs all summer and the camping is actually behind the track. Too much smoke and Jack maybe? Here's the 2015 AMA Pro schedule including the National TT at Castle Rock. Better camping is also available a couple of miles East of Castle Rock.


    http://www.amaproracing.com/ft/events/

    The shitstorm with the horsey set started when the Alhadeff Bros. sold the old track. The AMA tried for years to run the mile there but "Dad" said no. What fucked the Emerald Downs track was bad planning by the suits. The horsey set will love the pesos that the tribe will funnel into the track from the profits from the casino. Plus since it's tribal, all they can do is bitch.

    The Seattle Mile was also mostly at night as was the National at Castle Rock.

    WTF was all that PM stuff aboot the F104s? There were a shit load of them including the NF's and a few D models that were used to fly chase in the restricted air space over Edwards.
     
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    Wow, killer bumblebee.
    Thanks Grey.....wounder what the horse power to the ground that puppy had...
    BB, great info
     
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